They were told not to damage the grass of the earth or any green growth or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torture them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torture was like the torture of a scorpion when it stings someone.
-Revelation 9:4,5, NRSV
According to a new study from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, those who attend church at least weekly are more prone to say that torture is justifiable. Suffice it to say that, in the eyes of those who support the use of torture, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and Abu Zubaydah do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
A combined 54 percent of at-least-weekly church-goers say torture is either often or sometimes justifiable; for those who attend monthly or a few times a year, that figure is 51 percent; for those who do not attend, it is 42 percent.
Evangelicals, according to the survey, are more prone to saying torture is justifiable than members of the nation's other two main Christian groups: so-called "mainline" Protestants and white, non-Hispanic Catholics. Unaffiliateds--a conglomerated group of atheists, agnostics, and those who say their religion is "nothing in particular--support torture the least: 40 percent say it's justifiable often or sometimes.
How could this be? What happened to forgiveness and the other cheek?
The Lamb of God's teachings stop at the walls of Guantanamo?
Let us not forget that the main storyline of the New Testament is one
of torture: Jesus comes into the world and dies an excruciating death
to redeem the sins of man. Perhaps those closest to the story are most
comfortable with suffering when there's a purpose behind it--here, that
purpose would be to obtain information. The eschatological bent of some
Evangelicals might account for some Revelation-style views on
punishment, too.
Let's also keep in mind that the Bible, from start to end, has a lot of
violence in it. The Old Testament, in particular, is filled with the
slaughter of villages, and I'd be interested to hear how Jews respond
to the torture question--unfortunately, Pew only broke down the
Christian groups above. Israel's long experience with the threat of
terrorism might shape Jewish views on the matter as well.
And, obviously, President Bush, whose administration started the
practice of enhanced interrogation, courted religious conservatives in
two elections as a significant faction of his base...
UPDATE: A reader writes:
Not to denigrate the story, which is very interesting, but the question about turning the other cheek and forgiveness is, I hope, not what's at issue for people going to Church regularly. What I mean is, I'm hoping they aren't approving of torture for the sake of causing pain, but rather find it necessary in order to protect the country from attack. I would disagree even with that, and don't think torture is necessary to protecting the country, but linking it to an unwillingness to forgive, and thus a desire to cause pain, is not supported by the poll, and I hope it isn't true.A very good point. Enhanced interrogation, as it is argued by its proponents, is not about retribution--it is about gaining information and preventing terrorist attacks. My above analysis is meant to be a bit on the light side; analyzing the psychology of enhanced-interrogation supporters' ethos and its relationship to their religion, in a comprehensive way, isn't something that I think can be achieved in a post of this length--so I hope that's clear. Forgiveness and the other cheek have little bearing on the security discussion, strictly speaking.
However, the notion that Muhammad and Zubaydah deserved to be tortured is, I think, latent in some justifications of torture: that they are bad people who did terrible things, and hence we shouldn't feel so bad about what was done to them, is a looming feeling that one can sense from some discussions of torture. And that implicit (sometimes explicit) argument is about retribution.







Not to denigrate the story, which is very interesting, but the question about turning the other cheek and forgiveness is, I hope, not what's at issue for people going to Church regularly. What I mean is, I'm hoping they aren't approving of torture for the sake of causing pain, but rather find it necessary in order to protect the country from attack. I would disagree even with that, and don't think torture is necessary to protecting the country, but linking it to an unwillingness to forgive, and thus a desire to cause pain, is not supported by the poll, and I hope it isn't true.
As a Christian, I am deeply grieved by these results. And I know many others who feel the same way. I am nearly speechless. Terribly, terribly grieved.
This is hardly surprising. White evangelicals are disproportionately conservative Republicans. Their entire worldview is driven by a radical dualism. Everything they hold on to, including especially the Savior who gives them eternal life, is Good. Everything they oppose is unutterably evil and is condemned to all manners of torture and hell. To the conservative evangelical, you must either convert to their side or face hellfire and damnation - and torture. During the Bush years, these same conservagelicals affirmed the United States as God's chosen nation, with George W. Bush as God's prophet. When President Bush declared a set of people to be "evil", it was as good as the Lord's word. And no mercy should be shown to that enemy.
This worldview is not shared by all evangelicals, mind you. Among the younger generations it's probably only accepted by about a small percentage. But among middle age and older evangelicals, this is standard fare.
This archaic breed of Christianity, by the way, was widely accepted among Catholics and Calvinists until the late 19th century too. It sounds outlandish today, but religious conservatives - of all faiths - have traditionally been the most brutal supporters of despotism and torture.
That auto-da-fe thing, remember?
As distressing as it is for me to see this information about church-goers, the total sample is hardly cause to rejoice. Apparently only about a quarter of the population is absolutely opposed to torture. The figures do indeed indict the church, but apparently there are a fair number of other would-be torturers out there.
I'm not at all surprised by this poll. Just look around.
This is America, and believe it or not, Americans support revenge and punishment more than forgiveness and mercy.
Every 100 miles or so, in this land of the free, we have a huge prison complex, rimmed with razor wire. There we keep men and women for life - no chance to ever get out - for often petty crimes committed when they were young. No 2nd chances, no sirree.
And if you look around, near every one of those prisons, there is a huge Church - Christian, of course. There's very healthy attendence every week.
Do you want the prison doors opened and all those people set free? Those people broke the law one way or another. They had a trial and were found guilty. Yes, some innocent people get sent to jail. That is sad but most of those people hurt someone and deserve worse than jail. The worst offenders should be put to death but because we are Americans and most are "Christians" they get to live out their lives being coddled. They are fed, clothed and have medical services. Even the homeless don't get that.
I agree. I think that the punishment should fit the crime. Also, we need to redefine what is "cruel and unusual punishment" and what is "torture".
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I created an account just to address this.
To say the storyline of the New Testament is one of torture is myopic. The New Testament is about rebirth, Resurrection and the development of community, amongst other things.
Also worth looking in to is, who is actually going to church weekly in this country. I would venture to say that the majority of weekly, or more frequent, church-goers in the USA are conservative to begin with, and as a result, would find them more apt to support "tactics necessary to protect the country". Just a thought...most liberal Christians I know rarely attend church, let alone on a weekly basis.
Interesting study for sure, and thanks for the post...but I think it's important to ask more questions.
This is not a surprise. We all know that the more religious a country is the more messed up it is. The more religious states in The USA al more messed up. Atheists have the lowest divorce-rate and bon-again christians the highest divorce-rate. Atheists make up about 20% of the US-population but less than 1% of the US-prison-population.