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May 4 2009, 11:51 am

The GOP's Future: Let The Discussion Begin

On Saturday morning, in a packed pizza joint in northern Virginia, I watched as three Republican superstars -- Rep. Eric Cantor, Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush - kicked off a "national conversation" with Americans to find out what happened to their party, where it's going, and what platform it will run on. The answers from Saturday were, in short: they're not entirely sure, they don't really know, and they're open to suggestions.

Since the defection by Sen. Arlen Specter pushed Republicans to the brink of irrelevance in DC, the GOP decided that if it's going to get back in the game, it should get out of the city. But what struck me was the tension between the party's eagerness to hear new ideas and the conviction that the ideas they have are really fine, already. After all, following a question from the restaurant's manager about how to help small businesses, a friend leaned over a whispered, "Do you think he'll say cut taxes?" A couple minutes later, Romney intoned: "The right thing to do is lower taxes.

The event was relatively unpolitical -- the words "Democrat" and "Republican" were hardly uttered -- and the speakers mostly hovered above policy issues save a few notable episodes, such as Cantor bashing of the Employee Free Choice Act ("the biggest misnomer of a bill that I've seen") and Bush suggesting that colleges should charge different amounts of money depending on a student's pre-professional track, so that, for example, a nurse would pay less for school than a psychologist.

But the speakers sometimes ping-ponged between openness and a return to principles. "It's a wide-open policy discussion," Cantor told the audience in his opening remarks. "Nothing is off limits," he said later, to a question from Time's Jay Newton-Small. "There's no exclusivity here." But in response to very next question, Cantor said the party will always be committed to the "essential principles" of "free markets, faith in the individual and faith in God."

And there's the rub. The fact is that for at least two of those principles, there already is a wide-open policy debate, even if most Republicans stand on one side. A wide-open policy debate about conservative values doesn't make a whole lot of sense, like an all-you-can-eat buffet with a two-plate limit. Political parties aren't like open buffets -- they're defined by limits and exclusivity.

I snagged Eric Cantor just before the event cleared out. In Massachusetts, I said, Mitt Romney took a liberal moderate issue -- universal health care -- and achieved it in a way that didn't violate his conservative principles. Was there an issue today that most Americans would think of as a liberal project, where Republicans were interested in developing their own policy?

"The environment," Cantor answered. You have "the conservative notion that it's prosperity that allows us to clean up the environment," he went on, and described a "natural marriage between opportunity and incentive-based policies."

But cap-and-trade? "Ohhh nooo!" he said with a half-smile and half-sigh, like a frustrated but patient tutor. "That's the government deciding on the value of carbon," he added, and Republicans want to look to the private sector.

The most interesting speaker was Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, who's caught in something like a political exile himself. He's not likely running for Senate (current Republican Gov. Charlie Christ is the presumptive favorite in that race) and his last name bears the largest political albatross since that guy whose surname rhymed with Osama.

"The other side has something. I don't like it, but they have it," he said. "It's time for conservatives to listen first, to not be nostalgic about the past." That immediately struck me as the most surprising statement of the event. Nostalgia is woven into the fabric of conservatism, not just by evergreen adoration of Ronald Reagan, but in the language, too:  "return to family values," and "standing athwart history, yelling Stop" are the hallmarks of a party that has long drawn inspiration and direction from sepia toned visions of the way things used to be.

Bush was hit hard on that quote in the only slightly testy exchange of the morning, with a young guy from Arlington named Steve Santelli. "Barack Obama is a hippie," said Santelli. "People learn more from Rush Limbaugh's show that they do in college." The audience clapped a little.

After the question and answer session I caught up with Santelli (no relation to CNBC's Rick, he assured me, "but our dads look eerily alike."). We ate free pizza -- an excellent margherita remix -- and I asked him whether the party needs new ideas or a return to older ones. He responded: "New messages. New traditional conservative messages."

That's a bit of an oxy-moron, but in a nutshell, it's exactly what the GOP is looking for: a new take on an old recipe. The margherita pizza did the trick. The Republicans don't have that yet, but at least they're out, about, and looking for ingredients.

Comments (10)

Steve Santelli - "Obama is a hippie."

That's almost as ridiculous as what he said about the educational value of Rush Limbaugh's program. Really, Steve? That's your argument - that Obama is a hippie? What year are you living in, 1968? The funny thing is that I read in Jay Newton-Small's story on the event that Santelli in only 28. Jeez, a guy born in the 80s ranting about hippies? I guess it's better than fascist, socialist, Wall Street-owned, terrorist loving, baby killing, Commie, Saul Alinsky-clone President from ACORN.

If young guys like Santelli are the future of the GOP, the Democrats have nothing to fear.

jw32181 (Replying to: OGLiberal)

I agree. Claiming that he is a hippie is irrelevant and a very weak argument.


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midnightsky

The problem with the GOP is that they are acting like democrates. Get back to what you are should be, conservatives. You have moved to far to the left as it is and now you're saying diss the conservative values. The reason the GOP is losing is who did you pick to run against Obama, McCain, he is not what we want. Take note GOP, we are going to vote everyone in Washington out of office and start over. If you don't work for the people and listen to us you will be gone. So Jeb Bush, forget about it, Mit Romney forget about it. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

Starting over in 2010.

24AheadDotCom

I asked him whether the party needs new ideas or a return to older ones.

Brilliant reporting there. Don't want to actually rock the boat or anything by pointing out the elephant in the pizza parlor. That would be gauche, tres gauche.

If anyone wants to do a public service and more reporting than anyone at the Atlantic will ever be capable of, go to one of their townhalls and really press them on the issue at the link.

and really press them on the issue at the link.


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Sorry, but I don't get it.

24AheadDotCom (Replying to: oli3)

"Really pressing them on the issue at the link" means going to their townhalls and getting their position on immigration "reform" and related topics. If anyone wants to move beyond simply getting their stock speeches (which will almost assuredly alienate the base), here are some immigration questions for Republicans. If anyone's going to one of their meetings, I'm also willing to edit your questions for maximum impact; leave enough comments on my front page until I see your request.

This listening tour is a good idea but it should signal a new beginning and it will be hard to symbolize freshness if they have to take a ‘big tent’ approach and invite ALL Republicans. Frankly, it’s time for some of them to stay on the sidelines and let other players have time on the field.

There is no better example of that than John McCain. While John in an honorable guy, he symbolizes defeat and all that was wrong with the Republicans in 2008. The Party had a fuzzy message that was backward-focused and, in McCain, a passionless messenger that neither appealed to the base or the independent-minded voters. Then there is Palin. I understand Limbaugh chastised Cantor’s little group for not inviting her so the invitation has been extended again with the hopes of getting her on board. She may be a rising star but her star hasn’t fully ascended and she too represents the disjointed team that failed in 2008. How can Republicans start anew with the same cast that was rejected six short months ago?

Eric Cantor is fresh and mostly unknown. Jeb Bush too is valuable; he remains a popular Governor whose only negative is a currently unpopular last name. Mitt Romney and his economic knowledge are increasingly important and appreciation for him in the Party appears to be growing. Both of them are not tied to the Washington establishment. Other fresh names like Meg Whitman or Paul Ryan could be added but if the group hopes to present a fresh take on Republicanism, they would be wise to find voices less tied to the perceived failures of the past and more forward looking. The Party also needs to focus on the popular areas where they differ from Democrats such as fiscal responsibility and personal freedom. They need to de-emphasize the less popular and very polarizing social issues and they must distance themselves from overt ties to religion. That means Mike Huckabee would be out too. In order to win back younger voters I would also suggest they take a ‘good steward’ position on the environment and be seen as pushing scientific research on issues like energy and medicine.

Republicans cannot win in the future being seen as having a collection of old faces standing in the way of progress and always looking backward.

I think there are five non-policy issues these guys need to consider. One is that, as best I can tell, Republicans don't actually believe in the Golden Rule. Look at what Cornyn said about keeping Franken from having his seat -- would Republicans think it right if Democrats denied a Senate vote to a Republican who met his state's criteria of being elected? Would Texans like it if a Minnesotan spearheaded that drive?

Second, too many Republicans put either ideology or party ahead of country. Look at Rick Perry muttering about secession. Or Rush Limbaugh hoping Obama fails, and no elected official being able to stand up to Limbaugh. Or Michelle Bachmann quoting Jefferson about the need for a revolution. In that same speech, Jefferson spoke of the need to water the tree of liberty with blood (he was condoning the French Revolution) -- is THAT what Representative Bachmann and the Republicans want? Rich people getting killed by a mob? C'mon.

Third, Republicans don't seem to value competence very much. When I last voted Republican (1976), they were the party of good government. If you don't want to waste my tax money, don't spend it on the salaries of people whose primary qualification is personal loyalty. Bush put a fired horse show manager in charge of FEMA. Civil defense is part of keeping us safe. Or look at all the huffing & puffing about Obama using the word "empathy" to describe a Supreme Court nominee. What I want from a Justice is wisdom, & empathy is a necessary component of wisdom.

Fourth, forget some of the more self-evident or over-the-top lies. Palin was not qualified to be president. Max Cleland is not an agent of either Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden. Mitt Romney is not going to bring back every single autoworker's job. At my son's school, he has been subjected to abstinence "education," which consisted of bizarre claims -- e.g., you can get MS from a STD. (See also earlier comments about putting ideology ahead of country, incompetence, & wasting tax money).

Fifth, acknowledge when your ideas aren't working as expected. One idea in No Child Left Behind is that failing schools need to get new leadership. Sounds good. But under Republican John Engler, Detroit Public Schools got taken over by the state. The net result of that was an ongoing slide in enrollment & test scores, and a continuing rise in financial problems. Engler's Democratic successor (Granholm) is now trying the same thing -- I am hopeful she has picked a more competent person, but state takeovers are probably not enough of a solution. Merit pay sounds reasonable, but when you look at the data, it doesn't even work that well when it's used in the private sector, unless it's used to for easily quantifiable goals. I am not pretending that I or the Democrats have the answer to these problems, but when I hear someone just going on & on about the same issues in spite of growing evidence that discounts their proposed "solutions," I have to question whether they are serious about the issue.

Republicans can argue that Democrats pull these behaviors, too. Fair enough. But national or higher level Democrats generally don't, or they don't do it as much, or they have other behaviors that mitigate the effects of these. People like Bachmann, Rove, & Limbaugh are just not fit role models for my kids -- it's not their policies (my oldest is already voting age, but when the younger two are ready, who knows what the issues will be?); it's their behavior. As a mother, I recognize fractious toddler behavior when I see it; it's not cute in grown ups. That whole tea bag thing -- the silly quasi-pornographic label, the incitement to a kind of diffuse & often racist rage -- that was just not what serious adults who want to govern a democracy do. The public face of the party has to be more respect-worthy and more serious about the issues.