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May 14 2009, 8:05 am

His Crowd

All the controversy about President Obama's upcoming appearance at Notre Dame is overshadowing a larger point about the university commencement tour he began Wednesday night in Arizona: Obama is presenting Democrats an opportunity to establish a lasting and potentially crushing advantage with the Millennial Generation, the largest in American history.

Young voters are not as reflexively Democratic or liberal as many people might think. Since 18-year-olds were granted the vote in 1972, younger voters have often tracked fairly close to the national trend in presidential elections: Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush carried them in 1984 and 1988, and they split almost evenly between Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000.

But over the past three elections, voters under 30 have moved steadily toward the Democrats. In the 2004 presidential race, John Kerry carried 54% of them, compared to only 48% of the country overall. In 2006, Democrats won 60% of voters under 30 in the mid-term House elections, according to the national exit poll. Then in 2008, the bottom fell out for Republicans: against John McCain, Obama won a stunning 66% of voters 18-29. Partially Obama ran so well among young people because so many of them are non-white, and he dominated among non-whites at every age. But the exit polls found Obama also won 54% of white voters under 29; even the younger Bush carried 55% of whites under 30 in each of his two elections.

If anything, Obama's position with the Millennial generation appears even stronger today. Apart from African-Americans, these young people have been Obama's most enthusiastic and consistent supporters in office. In the Gallup tracking polling that's been conducted since January, Obama's approval rating among voters younger than 30 has never fallen below 66%. His approval rating among young voters consistently runs somewhere between six and nine points higher than his overall showing: today, Obama receives positive approval ratings from a dizzying 75% of voters under 30, compared to 66% from the country overall.

Another set of numbers Gallup released earlier this month shows how Obama's strength can bolster his party. Gallup cumulated all of its 123,000 interviews this year to examine party identification in the electorate. Among the Millennial generation, it found that just 21% identify as Republicans, compared to 36% as Democrats and 34% as independents. "Republicans, for all practical purposes, aren't even on the radar screen with them," says Michael D. Hais, a fellow at the Democratic advocacy group NDN, and co-author of Millennial Makeover, a recent book on the generation.

The enormous advantage among young people for Obama in particular and Democrats in general matters for two reasons. The more immediate is that this generation, which is generally defined as the 93 million people born between 1983 and 2002, will comprise a rapidly increasing share of voters through the next decade. Hais and his co-author, Morley Winograd, also an NDN fellow, have calculated that in 2008, 41% of Millennials were eligible to vote, and they constituted 17% of the electorate. They project that by 2012, 61% of the Millennials will be eligible, and they'll comprise 24% of the electorate; by 2016, the numbers will reach 80% and 30%. By 2020, virtually all of them will be eligible and they could constitute as much as 36% of all voters. If Obama maintains anything near his current strength among Millennials, they will produce a substantially larger vote surplus for him in 2012 than they did in 2008-leaving Republicans a larger deficit to overcome with older voters.

Obama's strength among young people has a second, even more significant, implication: if Republicans cannot reverse it reasonably soon, it could harden into a lasting preference for Democrats in this huge generation. Political scientists and political strategists generally divide into two camps over how partisan allegiances are formed. The lifecycle camp argues that people's views change at different points in their life, with many voters, for instance, becoming more averse to taxes as they acquire families and mortgages. Surely some of that occurs; few people's political preferences are entirely static or so deeply held they cannot be disrupted, at least temporarily, by events.

But probably the dominant camp believes partisan allegiances are forged mostly by the social, economic and political experiences that shape a generation's upbringing. As Winograd and Hais wrote, "Members of the electorate are most easily persuaded when they are young, before their beliefs harden into attitudes they will retain throughout their lives." Kristen Soltis, director of policy research at the Winston Group, a Republican polling firm, has studied young people and politics, and she largely agrees. "I fall into the camp that see it as more generational-that there are period effects that come into play when someone becomes [politically] active, and that colors the way you look at politics throughout your life," she said.

Other numbers from the Gallup polls conducted this year point toward that interpretation. Gallup provided me with their figures breaking out party identification by age on a year-by-year basis. It found unmistakable patterns of allegiance to the two parties that track the most consequential presidencies of recent times.

Democrats did best among voters who turned 18 since George W. Bush took office in 2001 (those now aged 18 through 25). Among those voters, the Democratic Party identification advantage ranged from 14 to 18 percentage points. Democrats also did well, but not quite as well, among those who turned 18 while Bill Clinton was President (those who are now 26 to 33). Among this group, the Democratic Party identification advantage stood at 9 to 12 percentage points. The story was very different in the generation that turned 18 during Ronald Reagan's eight years as president. Those voters (who are now 38 to 45) preferred Democrats over Republicans by only three to nine percentage points. "Those are the Reagan babies," said Winograd.

These striking patterns in attitude underscore the stakes for the two sides through the remainder of Obama's presidency. Soltis says the durability of generational preferences should inspire more urgency among Republicans about the possibility of Obama locking down this cohort for Democrats. She wants the party to emphasize themes of opportunity and to criticize Obama for saddling young people with exploding federal debts. Mostly she wants the party to focus on all the dimensions of its challenge with young people. "We've still got a chance, but it's something that needs to be acted upon quickly," she says.

Winograd and Hais believe Republicans can't do much to detach young voters from Obama if the president is seen as succeeding. In Millennial Makeover, they argue that many of this generation's formative experiences-their diversity, their tolerance of difference, and the patterns of parenting that inclined them to find collective "win-win" solutions-already inclined them toward Democratic beliefs. The perception that Bush failed in the White House reinforced the Millennials' tilt toward Democrats; now Obama, they maintain, has the chance to cement those ties. "They already know that Republicans messed up a la Bush; the question is will Obama turn out to be the successful president they all expect him to be?" Winograd said. The analogy, Winograd and Hais maintain, could be the way Franklin Roosevelt's success built upon Herbert Hoover's failure and created a generation of FDR Democrats that bolstered his party for decades. In the same way, they argue, if Obama succeeds, he "could be the final piece" bonding this generation to Democrats. Of course, if he fails, those bonds could be severely strained, especially since young people have invested so much hope in him.

Either way, it is the lasting loyalty of this mammoth young generation, far more than the dust-up over abortion, that is the real prize at play as Obama begins his first campus tour as president.

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Comments (27)

Interesting, but I'd be curious to hear Meghan McCain's take on it. You should try to land an interview with her.

Caracalla'sAmanuensis

Yes the Millenials are the strategic political reserve of the Democrats and Obama. Being idealistic and progressive they can be moved by Obama addressing them with honesty and respect...explaining his priorities to them for eg., on the environment and energy, he can rationalize increasing public debt by the overwhelming need for fundamental societal change in these areas. He can disarm the Republicans' focus on opportunity by painting a picture of the world of unexplored new opportunities that can only be created by working to establish a progressive high-tech, high-think regime of green, inter-connected projects and initiatives...publicly funded like the National Institutes of Health, and other gems in the sphere of publicly held capital. He can appeal to them at critical moments to march en masse in large scale demonstrations to the nation's capital as a way to break the logjam of petty, bickering political in-fighting among the decrepit, decaying, carbon-polluted older generation elites. He can promise them change on social issues like drug liberalization and gay marriage after the major economic, health care and environmental issues have been dealt with...above all, if he approaches them as a teacher and mentor, as an apostle of reason, he will cream the Republicans' efforts to regain any support in their ranks.

UTMarine84 (Replying to: Caracalla'sAmanuensis)

One thing to add that may stir this pot a bit is that he leaves out religion as much as possible. I was raised Catholic, did Sunday school, etc etc, but while my Millenial generation still seeks out a connection with God, we're less enthusiastic about organized religion.
In Iraq, I sat in rooms with people representing probably 20 different religions, and I thought "How could anyone here prove that his is the one true and correct religion?". Your religious denomination has more to do with where you were born than what you chose by judgement and comparison shopping. If you were born in India, you'll probably be Hindu. If you were born in ancient Mexico, you worshipped the Sun god. I was born in America and was raised Catholic. Etc, etc. Many people my age feel the same way, and it irks us to hear the different denominations damning us if we don't follow their specific denomination. I attended the University of Texas, and every day differnt people of different denominations got on a loud speaker in the west mall and preached hellfire and brimstone to us. It seems like no matter who is talking, we're constantly damned if we do, and damned if we don't follow their denomination.
Therefore, we cringe a bit when politicians try to use "their connections with God" to make policy decisions that affect others whose beliefs may say otherwise. Leaving religious debate out of the political sphere would be helpful to Republicans in attracting younger people.

He can promise them change on social issues like drug liberalization and gay marriage...,/i.

He is. of course, on record as being against both.

Cyclanian (Replying to: Colin)

His views are still quite a bit more liberal than some of the nutters in the other party.

As a member of the younger generation and a (former) Republican voter (now a registered Libertarian), I can give a few reasons why us younger folks don't care much for Republicans:
1. We don't care if people are gay. If my neighbors had been gay when I was growing up, it wouldn't have had any impact on me, nor would it have been any of my business. The anti-gay rhetoric comes across as bigotry to our ears.
2. We chaffe at the 'whiteness' of the Republican party. Whether or not this is true in the hearts of Republicans, they simply don't come across in public as caring for non-whites, nor do they seem to make an effor to reach out to non-whites. Reach out to minorities, and voters will reach out to you.
3. Kids my age don't understand economics because it isn't taught in schools, parents don't teach it, and colleges only marginally teach it. Therefore, we don't have a clue how trillion dollar deficits will impact us down the road.
4. They put up fossils as candidates.

Hope this helps.

George V (Replying to: UTMarine84)

Actually, it doesn't help.

1. What anti-gay rhetoric do you refer to? Are you referring to gay marriage? Because if you aren't, I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care if someone is gay.

2. Define "whiteness." And what do you mean coming across as not caring.

3. Educate yourself. Don't blame your parents and your teachers. You have the power to teach yourself. Read books. Read the Wall Street journal. Read Hayek. Read Marx. Read Keynes. Read Friedman.

4. Fossil. You insult a man who spent 6 years in a POW camp. What is wrong with the culture of youth who can't see the wisdomn that people much older have. Besides, the mere fact that he ran for president means he can run circles around many young people. You insult men who fought in World War 2. Is your grandfather a fossil?


Cyclanian (Replying to: George V)

I may be able to answer some of your questions. I am a minority myself and the Republican party has conveyed itself ever since I have become aware of it as a party of intolerance.

Take for example Trent Lott's blithe praise of Strom Thurmond and his segregationist platform did not fall on our ears in discordant manner. We are subjected to ugly rants of Tom Tancredo to expel every immigrant with brown skin. More recently, a Texas lawmaker suggested that all Chinese change their names so they could be easier to pronounce. Then you ask why the Republican Party is so marginalized in minority groups?

Thankfully, racism is quite rare nowadays. However we are averse to following a party that seems so loathe to acknowledge our existence, let alone our rights.

As for McCain, although I respect his service, her may not necessarily best person. at this point in time A person' past accomplishments is besides the point when faced with a crisis. His position is symptomatic of the entire Republican Party's. Its 'solutions' seem to involve some tired bromides involving a mixture of holy invocation of Reagan, tax cuts, and homophobic Phillipics. To our generation, it is a party whose time has passed.

You may deny these charges I bring before you. If you do deny what I said, failure to acknowledge their validity simply represents a further clouding of the GOP's collective vision and judgment.

UTMarine84 (Replying to: George V)

Hi George,

1. As a fox news viewer and talk radio listener, I do hear a good bit of anti-gay talk. Take Ann Coulter or Michael Savage (whose program I listen to). While some of their discussions on gays may not come across to members of older generations as being harsh or unfair, to us younger folks, it does.

2. How many non-whites did you spot in the crowd at the GOP convention last summer? (I'm a white guy, by the way). I realize that many of us do care about minorities, but when the party doesn't make an effort to go out and recruit and speak at minority events the way the Dems do, perception becomes reality in the minds of minorities.

3. Oh I've educated myself on economics. I've been reading Money Magazine and the WSJ since grade school, but I can tell you that the vast, and I mean vast, majority of people my age don't have a clue about basic finance. Ask them to explain how interest rates affect bond prices and their ability to obtain mortgages and they have no idea. The importance wasn't emphasized to them at any stage in life, so they simply haven't realized that they made the effort to learn on their own.

4. Sorry for disparging John, I did vote for him and I too am a vet. The issue we have is that much of the senior leadership in the Republican party doesn't connect with us the way Dems do. I didn't see a single TV add played on VH-1 or HBO or Bravo (my girlfriend controls the remote), but I saw dozens of Dem ads. This seemed to be the case in many other forms of media as well. They simply aren't making enough effort to teach others my age why their ideas are correct or important.

Justin (Replying to: George V)

You're missing the point, George. UTMarine84 isn't saying why one shouldn't vote Republican, he's describing the perception problem the Republican party has and why it's locking the Millenials into the Democrats. This is data that the Republicans need if they're going to stop being a rump party and regain national credibility. Whether or not you agree that the Republican party is like that in fact, it behooves you to understand why others think that way.

Specifically, on anti-gay rhetoric:

I know that many opponents of SSM aren't overtly anti-gay, but many are, and they speak loudly; and those who aren't often appear to be lying. Prop 8 in California provides an excellent example: Utah residents who provided the bulk of the funding for the yes side loudly proclaimed that they didn't oppose equal rights for gay couples, they just wanted the word marriage to themselves. After prop 8 passed, a gay rights group in Utah tested that assertion by getting five bills introduced into the Utah legislature covering the major civil rights issues for gay relationships, like hospital visitation, inheritance, work benefts, etc. All five were soundly defeated with strong, vocal support from the same organizations that had earlier claimed they weren't opposed to equal rights; those groups very publicly declared that they didn't want to see gay relationships "legitimized". It looked (and was) hypocritical and dissembling.

MrsG1984 (Replying to: UTMarine84)

To UTMarine84--THANK YOU for your service.
I am sorry you are no longer a registered Repupblican--it truly is a "Grand Old Party" with a rich history, however, I agree with your previous post regarding political persons invoking God or their religion--it is never as God intended (see what God had to say to the pharisees about praying on the street corner versus worshipping and communicating with Him in private). In response to your listed reasons post:
1. Most Republicans don't care whether someone is gay either. I don't, however, want a very small minority of the population(now THAT's gonna get me in trouble!) whose voices are very loud (and to my ears) very mean, going out and changing the fundamental principles that this great country was founded on. (And often they are circumventing the democratic processes to get those changes through).
2. True, the Republican party's "whiteness" had begun to bother me as well, until this recent political season. Some time ago, I had the opportunity to hear a call-in show on National Public Radio (not exactly a conservative venue). On this show, the democratic representative was describing how the democratic party represents itself as being so diverse--for "public" events, such as the democratic caucus, each state is REQUIRED to send percentages of people who represent each race found in that state with an equal number of the representatives being male (50%) and female (50%). For e.g.-if the state has 38% Latino, 25% African American, and 32% white residents (I am picking numbers "out of thin air" as the radio did); then of the reps. sent to the caucus 32%must be white, 25% African American, and 38%Latino>>as close to those of the state as possible>>a bit deceitful to me. Made me wonder what else is done like this in the name of diversity in the party. (Yes, I am sure there are plenty of anti-Republican examples as well!)
3. If you don't understand the economics---learn, PLEASE learn!!! YOU are the future of this country, those who don't understand history are DOOMED to repeat it---ask anyone from the 70's what it was like to live through the inflation caused (in part)by "the Carter years".
4. I'm sorry your generation has not been taught to respect age--and the wisdom that goes with it. I like President Obama, but one thing he lacks is wisdom--what the media will see as "waffling", on certain issues, on the president's part, will often just be his learning curve as he comes to learn more from those who have "lived it". However, I too would like to see some "younger" blood moving in the Republican party--I WOULD like it to be more appealing to the younger generation (maybe the GOP could lose some of the "stodgy looking suits" sometimes too:)
AND FINALLY--we need a news media that is "party neutral", that reports the news and only the news a media that doesn't try to tell people what to think!----they could fill all the OTHER air time with "opinion news shows" and "here's what I think, you should think shows:)

Well, as YOU said, I hope this helps. Again, thank you for your service to our country--still a country big enough and great enough for ALL our opinions and views (as long as they aren't mean or nasty:)
Sincerely, MrsG

Christian Welles

I'm only a few years older than this generation, but there are light-years of difference between my views and this generation. I spent a lot of time in Europe, which usually makes Americans more liberal. It has had the opposite effect on me. I saw first-hand the public hospitals of socialized medicine. If people think universal health-care is a great idea, then they should visit some of these public hospitals when they travel to Europe. Take a little time away from the Louvre or the Acropolis and see some of real Europe with "universal health-care." Does anyone really believe that if we could have the quality care that we have now, with universal coverage and somehow lower costs that we wouldn’t have already done it? Who would oppose such a heaven on earth? Again, visit a public European hospital so you can see what heaven is going to look like.
America is also stunned by our unemployment rate today because we've become accustomed to low unemployment. Look back at our average unemployment for the past 15-20 years. Now Google the average unemployment rates in many of Europe's most glamorous countries. What stuns us today is the norm over there. Why? Excessive government involvement in everything. “Socialism” is more than bumper-sticker in Europe; it’s their way of life. Obama excoriated Bush for his deficits, which were about 2.5% of GDP. So far Obama's deficits are over 12% and there is a lot more to his "progressive" agenda that doesn't fit into those crazy numbers. Wait until the real price of universal healthcare is felt in about 10-15 years...and beyond. This says nothing of Obama’s coming energy plan.
Many Democrats think by capping and trading our problems will be solved. If they get their beloved Cap and Trade they'll ship every manufacturing job overseas, poetic justice for the trade unions, to be sure, but another nail in the coffin for every type of heavy manufacturing in the US aside from high-skilled aerospace and defense manufacturing. I am also anxious to see where energy is going to come from under the Democrats’ plan. They want wind power, but don't want to build too many wind turbines because of the sight and noise pollution. They want solar power, but don't want to clutter the desert with solar panels. As for moving the energy, a new grid is necessary, but they certainly don't want more power lines running across the country. Even if permitted, generating wind power high in the mountains or solar power in the desert does nothing if you can't get it to population centers (and sorry, it won’t move just by Obama’s oratorical powers). Forget coal, natural gas and nuclear - even though we have near limitless quantities in the US of all three. Many of people - especially the young - think that energy is just going to fall out of the sky with Obama.
He can barely speak without a teleprompter, never penned one meaningful bill in the state or US Senate, but he is somehow going to save us all. Unfortunately I'll be around a lot longer than most Americans who hold my views. But at least I'll get to see Obama’s most ardent supporters choking under the regulations and mountains of debt that they so passionately asked for. It is indeed his crowd.

ottovbvs (Replying to: Christian Welles)

I wonder what your actual experience of universal healthcare systems are in Europe Mr Welles. Have you ever actually been treated in any of these systems because based on the very generalized and vague claims you make I doubt it. I personally have lived and worked in the UK and France and received medical treatment requiring hospitalization in both systems. I would say the British system had a few minor deficiencies in terms of housekeeping (eg. food of average quality) but the treatment was excellent. France was absolutely outstanding in every respect. I also have family relations who reside in Britain and Germany. One of them was treated for a very serious disease of the nervous system that involved a 9 month hospitalization, elaborate treatments and 18 months of extensive aftercare. He recovered almost completely and the whole thing cost him nothing. Doctor friends tell me his treatment would have cost over $1.5 million in the US and his insurance company would almost certainly have pulled the plug. None of my relations or just about anyone from France, Britain or Germany that I have discussed this with would trade their system for the lottery that is US healthcare. As I can tell from the subsequent comments Mr Welles doesn't have much contact with reality.

Christian Welles (Replying to: ottovbvs)

In actuality, Otto (I assume that is your first name and mean no disrespect if it's not), I do have real-world experience (albeit not life-threatening, but certainly maddening), as well as public policy experience with European health-care, but going back and forth with you over anecdotal stories is futile. I could just as easily name countless friends and relatives who have had amazing experiences with US healthcare, but that certainly won't convince you. Health-care policy that affects millions of people isn't argued through the lense of a friend's isolated experience, good or bad.

You also claim that my subsequent comments don't jive with reality, which I take as my stance on Europe's economy - or lack thereof - which, of course, requires a rebuttal. Again, I assume you are of German descent, so I looked up German unemployment numbers in this decade. These numbers are staggering by American standards and most Americans have no clue. This is Germany, a powerhouse economy by international standards, not some developing country in Africa or Latin America.
2000 9.6%
2001 9.4%
2002 9.8%
2003 10.5%
2004 10.6%
2005 11.7%
2006 10.8%
2007 9.2% (One quarter it dropped to 8.8%, the lowest level in 15 years and roughly where America's unemployment rate is right now - our highest since the early 1980's. Indeed, much of "His Crowd" never lived a day in America until this spring where unemployment was close to these German norms. That will soon change.)
2008 9.1%

Again, these year-over-year unemployment rates are all higher than we have now in the United States and many people consider us to be not only in a recession, but in a "depression." If I am mistaken and you are not of German descent, then send me your country of origin and I'll post those numbers. They'll be equally outrageous. I know the European unemployment rates and the European economies well. All of this will be a good wake-up call for America and what we're about to endure under Europe's model of socialism.

Lastly, if you, or anyone for that matter, doubts the accuracy of these numbers, you can visit the World Bank website, the CIA Fact Book (available online) and others. I cross-checked before I posted. Some other sites that came up under a simple google search included articles from the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and CNBC (plently of different choices for comparision).

Cyclanian (Replying to: Christian Welles)

Merely examining unemployment rates is an idiotically simple and deliberately disingenuous look at quality of life.

You fail to account or control for such basic measures as GDP per capita, life expectancy, and cultural traditions.

Slaving away from craddle to grave isn't the sole measure of a nation.

On the topic clean energy, the market will come up with a solution. Incentivize or subsidize and things will happen. I refer you to NIH grants and the Apollo project. Your willful ignorance of the the sciences indicates that you probably do not work in any science or engineering related field.

NukeItFromOrbit

One trend to watch for: the Asianization of the American elite. Check out the employee profiles on the Goldman Sachs website; Asians are overrepresented among young employees. This is because they have generally worked harder than their peers and I, as a twentysomething white male, do not begrudge them anything. But those in power will increasingly see traditional "Anglo-Saxon" culture (in the European parlance) as different from that which they grew up in and simply one of many cultures in the world. Expect our nation's bankers, judges, physicians, scientists, and yes even politicians to increasingly be of Asian descent.

Elrod (Replying to: NukeItFromOrbit)

A few generations ago the same could be said for the "Judaicization" of the American elite.

NukeItFromOrbit (Replying to: Elrod)

I agree. (As an aside, I would argue that some of the public schools in California are the City Colleges of the 21st century.)

I also fully expect this phenomenon to be passe within a generation and that some sort of hybrid elite will emerge. The inclusion of Jews within the elite brought about the "Judeo-Christian values" thing in place of just "Christian values". Prepare for an increasingly hyphenated future!

Wait until the millenial generation gets stuck with the bill.
Then maybe they will realize what a chump Obama is, and how horrible his unbelievably wild spending is, and how his priorities are antithetical to those which founded this country.
Unless of course Obama convinces them that they should not have to work hard for anything, like grades, money, a home, or healthcare. Then they will just smile and let the folks who work hard in this country pay for all the socialists who feel that their lot in life is the government's responsibility.
This President sucks ass, and Ron Brownstein needs to get over the 'tingle in his leg'.

Elrod (Replying to: Chris)

Or maybe right-wing blowhards like you will continue to die off and the younger generation will continue to be productive while actually giving a damn about those less fortunate.

Cyclanian (Replying to: Chris)

Somebody needs to pull his head out of his ass.

People whined when Alexander Hamilton wanted to create a Central Bank and centralize national debt.

People whined when FDR fixed the banking system.

People are whining now we must resort to fiscal policy, no matter how crude, to avoid the even greater dangers of prolonged recession.

You should reevaluate your criticisms. Our President is the very embodiment of diligence, intelligence, and responsibility. OUR tax dollars will be supporting your soon to be geriatric ass but we have more humanity than to simply do away with all entitlements even if it means that none will be left for ourselves.

You should reevaluate yourself and see who really sucks ass.

I turned 18 the February prior to the 2000 election so I basically "became an adult" during the Bush years. I come from a mid-western family, my Dad is a Republican, my Mom is a Democrat and both are well educated. Ultimately, I turned out to be very much a Democrat. In the 2000 election, neither candidate struck me as interesting and since my state (Michigan) was going to vote Democrat anyways, I voted for Nader in an effort to help the Green Party get federal funding (they fell short of that).

Over the Bush years and, in particular, his second term, I identified even more with the Democratic party. I had no stomach for his speeches and his "average guy" act. His policies seemed largely driven by lobbyists, interest groups and Cheney. He seemed like a guy I would have enjoyed having as a friend, but I don't need a friend in a President. Then along came an eloquent, charismatic and very intelligent Presidential candidate and that really cemented my relationship with the Democratic Party.

Today I am 27, white, well educated and working in the healthcare information technology industry.

The Republican party is doomed for another 15 years or so ... but conservatives will be back in control before too long. That will require the Repubs to reinvent themselves or it may require a new party altogether.

What's going to hit people most is the fallout from our unsustainable debt, and whether we go with cap and trade. I don't have any first-hand experience to intelligently address social medicine.

As a 47 year old man with 2 young kids, I am near grief-stricken with what my children will be left to deal with in regards to our national debt. And cap and trade is going to move more jobs overseas to countries that don't participate. Not to mention enormous energy bills, which will decrease the standard of living.

One difference between younger people and those of us that are older is the media. When I see the shows that my kids watch (Disney, mostly), everybody is doing great financially. Nice houses, cars, iPods, phones, etc. They expect that they will all have the great lifestyles presented to them, but I see it rolling back the other way. Many will become jaded and rethink a bit.

BTW, good posts by Christian Welles and Cyclanian (the first post; the others are a bit abrasive, don't you think?).

Is it conceivable for the Republicans to have less appealing media figures screaming for them than Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity, for starters? These guys are all way too old, fat, and terminally uncool to appeal to the Millennials. And it's inconceivable that the Republicans will be able to pull some new "hip" representative out of a magic hat. So, unless Obama blows the economy, or is seen to have been an enabler of Netanyahu's apparent determination to hurl the whole world into Depression with an attack on Iran, it looks as if the Republicans are truly dead meat for a long time to come, if not forever.

I also was 18 in Feb. of 2000 and us millienals class of 2000 and beyond will eventually find what political home will in years beyond but, I'm a 27 and healthcare professional also but I grew in the south and here the GOP has the state of TN in its hands but for a hundred years democrats ran this state legislature. I find myself a self defined conservative democrat at point where I voted for Obama but I voted Sen. Alexander, Rep. Wamp whom I cant say I personally know but I have seen them and the respond when I contact my reps in DC. I find myself saying that if the Blue Dogs in DC cant get a check on the more liberal wing then when the political pendulem swings back the people that it will hurt the most is us Blue Dogs the state of TN is the example the rest of the democrats need to pay attention to

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa...!

You obamanauts crack me up! Unemployment adjusted for GDP? What? Where did you learn such nonsense? Not at my grad school (UCLA).

Here's a laugh: I'm a citizen of Canada and the USA. I have a blood right to EU citizenship, if I so desire to claim it. I own an import company, among other things. And no, I won't pay obama's taxes; they will accrue to an offshore (man-in-the-middle) company.

I could go on, but why bother. The next generation of Americans is doomed to endure a fate only slovenly, crass, ignorant fools should suffer -- a slide to rival Britain's in the 60's and 70's. The World Bank's per capita GDP projections show NINE countries expected to pass the USA by 2013 -- dropping the country to 20th in the world rankings.

Well, they say those who fail to study history are condemned to repeat it. And those who fail to study economics support this current crop of arrogant assh*les. Economic behavior is not exogenous, and human beings adjust to changing rules. As they should. For example, sales tax avoidance is rampant in LA at a mere 8.25% (pay cash - try it and see). We've had this lesson many times, amazing it's not been learned by our glorious "leaders."

So if you rely on the United States as a source of income, you have my pity. I, for one, do not, although I still enjoy consumption here.

And it's getting cheaper by the day.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ... suckers....

Thank you and good night.

John Galt

Fierce Pika

Rather than quarrel over the usual policy/philosophy disagreements that inevitably arise over whether Obama's policies are "good" or "bad," let's stick to the central point of this article: explanations for the dramatic devaluation of the Republican brand among the young. Speaking as a 31 year old white male who's enrolled as a doctoral student, whose family are nearly all staunch Republicans, and who grew up in western Colorado:

1. As several people have pointed out, the social values stuff tends to chafe with people my age and younger (I'm not technically a millenial, but several in my social circle are). As some people here have already pointed out, the PERCEPTION at least is that Republicans hate and fear gays. The perception that Republicans don't like minorities comes across in subtle things like the way "urban" is used as a coded term, like how "welfare vampires" as a meme seems never to refer to poor, rural whites, like how so much ugly racist stuff came out in the last election (granted, by extremists, but these people made a lot of noise and attracted notoriety).

2. The perception that under Bush in particular, the Republican party abandoned principles in favor of overt gainsaying for short term political advantages, as well as insisting on policies or rhetoric that seemed a bit ham-handed, and where Republicans would NEVER back down. I am reminded here of John Rogers' famous post "I miss Republicans", in which he detailed how the GOP used to be the party of serious-minded conservatism according to what works and what we can afford. They were the gray-suited pragmatists. This has not been the case for a long time, and indeed by contrast issues like missile defense and the Iraq War underscored an untenable investment in unchecked (and unmoored) fantasies.

3. Uncoolness. Yes, to some extent the image of the GOP as "uncool" is vacuous and not a fair assessment of policies. That said, this uncoolness translates sometimes into the perception that being out of touch in certain areas indicates dangerous ignorance. Consider Sen. Stevens' much-mocked characterization of the internet as a "series of tubes" and John McCain's self-professed computer illiteracy. These indicate that, far from being "merely" out of touch, these are men who cannot fathom paradigm shifts that affect the very way we live our lives. As networked as millenials are, such a view is inconceivable.

4. None of these people were fully conscious (indeed, most not even alive) during the Cold War, and do not understand or can relate to the crack-up of national culture in the 60's. They do not have a Pavlovian response to "socialism", they never experienced an America whose prestige was tarnished by weakness (instead their formative years were under the opposite effect of America's name being tarnished by aggressiveness), and so on. In short, they see a prosperous, "socialized" Europe, and go to school with the progeny of people from those dark corners of the earth that Republicans keep saying "hate our way of life." There is a complete disconnect, in other words, from the sorts of fears Republicans are attempting to foment in public right now.

5. Lastly, the current GOP obsession with the fiddly details of tax policies fall on deaf ears. Not only is economics not taught or understood, these are notions that pale in comparison to more serious problems/challenges in health care, energy, and especially the environment. I dare you to find even a conservative millenial who is fine with building more coal plants for the foreseeable future. Until and unless the GOP comes up with bold initiatives to transform all of this (as Obama has offered but not yet delivered on), they will continue to be viewed by most millenials as sort of the equivalent of a crazy old uncle, ranting about things that seem arbitrary and unimportant.