A reputable poll out of Tennessee this morning shows how mere evidence and facts aren't enough to deter the perseverance of false beliefs. The quarterly Middle Tennessee State University Survey finds that 34% of adults believe that President Obama was born in another country. 47% of Republicans hold that belief. About a third -- 30% -- say Obama is a Muslim. 46% -- and this includes many Democrats and independents -- say he's a socialist. Put aside the socialist finding for a second. The first two claims -- that Obama is a Muslim and/or was born outside the U.S. -- have been definitely, repeatedly and loudly debunked by the press, by watchdog groups, and by Republicans. A reasonable person, looking at the facts and putting him or herself at a distance from whatever emotions entangle one's appraisal of Barack Obama, cannot help but come to that conclusion. Obama was born in the US; he's not Muslim. These facts are as fact-y as facts can get. And yet -- among adults in a major American state, false beliefs prevail and flourish. What are we to make of this?
In a new book,
Cass Sunstein, now the government's chief regulation officer, bemoans
the failure of our political culture to distinguish fact from rumor.
He recognizes that, in a highly polarized age, three dynamics are
simultaneously in play. One is that group polarization, long a feature
of partisan politics, produces extreme beliefs. Then, social cascades
-- here Sunstein means the way in which beliefs are communicated among
the like-minded -- ensure that people hear rumors from people they
trust not to tell them about a mere rumor. Finally, the way one
assimilates a piece of information is biased. It's not enough to say
that Sarah Palin never actually called Africa a country; so many people
were willing to believe that she would make that mistake, simply
because of their of preconceptions.
Sunstein has become a victim of
his own observations. Search for information about the book on Google
and you'll be returned a slew of references to
how Sunstein wants to censor the Internet, how he wants to fine people
who print false things on the Net, how he wants to chill the speech of
conservatives. All of these statements are false. Sunstein proposes
one modification to existing law -- he wants to make websites more
responsible for the information that others add to the website -- now,
website proprietors aren't responsible for comments and pass-through
content. This is a mildly controversial proposal, but it's one that many others have made, and it's not something his colleagues in the Obama administration have any interest in signing into law.
What Sunstein actually wants is even more radical, because it would involve a big change in the way we teach people -- kids -- to think, although his opponents, blinded by their preconceptions, don't really get around to mentioning it.
Sunstein wants to increase the social penalties that accrue to a source of information that is regularly or repeatedly inaccurate. Since there are no longer neutral arbiters of information -- at
least, that's the perception among people who adhere to Birther beliefs
-- this approach wouldn't advance the cause much. One of the reasons why bad information spreads so quickly is that even very popular websites and radio shows and TV programs treat all sources of information with equal credibility. Counseling extreme skepticism to any truth claim would make truth itself a casualty.
So what Sunstein wants to do -- and he only spends a paragraph on this, but it's really important -- is to teach people how to think critically. He is pessimistic that this problem of false rumors can be solved unless people accept their own conclusions with humility, unless they understand how group polarization works, unless they can explain why beliefs with potent emotional content often persevere, unless they realize that human beings are socialized to be gullible about these sorts of things.







I live in Tennessee and I attribute these beliefs to ignorance and stupidity among too much of the population here. We have the second worst education system in America (Mississippi comes up behind us). We are the home of the Scopes Trial and have one of the highest populations of fundamentalist Christians - including Creationists among them - in America. You want lots of reactionary group think? Combine bad education and religious fanaticism and you get Birtherism and the rest.
And yet... Obama won 43% of the vote in Tennessee without campaigning in our state. He completely abandoned us (though he did spend a lot of time in neighboring NC and VA). How did he do as well as he did? Obama earned as many white Tennessee votes as he did in North Carolina (roughly 35%). In fact, I'm a bit surprised that "only" 47% of Tennessee Republicans believe Obama was born in another country. Other states show the number much higher.
I live there, too. You're absolutely right...Amen to that, meant ironically!
Ambinder is, frankly, an idiot. He can't distinguish between belief and fact.
The facts are that the strongest evidence that BHO was born in HI is one (1) statement from a HI official. In her statement, she then rhetorically stalked off in a huff.
The fact that that's the strongest evidence doesn't mean that BHO wasn't born in HI. What it means is that it hasn't been definitively proven. Anyone who says it's been proven is basing that decision on faith and not on the facts. Ambinder doesn't have the intellectual capacity and the integrity to understand that.
And, the MSM has repeatedly lied and misled about this issue, with many believing their false claims.
For just one example, CNN, the NYT, and the AP have all falsely implied that Hawaii governor Linda Lingle verified that Obama was born there. Not only has she never done that, but she sends out a form letter that points out it would be illegal for her to do it.
CNN, the NYT, and the AP have all tried to deceive their audience about this issue. Yet, hacks like Ambinder want you to trust that they got it right when they've lied to you.
Ambinder should try to find a smarter person who can explain all of this to him, even if it takes him a few hours to understand it.
Exhibit A. Looks like Tennessee has full-blown State 3 Mississippitis. Usually fatal.
Hill country idiots have idiotic beliefs? I, for one, am stunned. No one could have anticipated....
I bet they all know the words to "Rocky Top."
This post is all kinds of win.
Obama is different from them. Hell, he's different from me. He's black.
Now if that difference bothers you, but you know it's politically incorrect to say so, you find other ways to indicate difference - instead of "we are white and he is black" it morphs into "we are Americans and he is a foreigner" and "we are Christian and he is a Muslim" -- even though they're false, they're a socially acceptable way of expressing bias and anger with someone who is not of your tribe being in charge. It's basically translating racially-loaded terms from English into dog-whistle.
It's the same thing with Hitler comparisons and health care reform. If you're a white supremacist who hates blacks and Jews, you can't hang out with your racist buddies at an American Nazi Party march with signs of Hitler photos and swaztikas and a black guy looking like a criminal and such without it being labeled "unacceptable" .... but if you're a white surpremacist who hates blacks and Jews, you can proudly hang out with your racist, anti-Semitic buddies while carrying basically the same poster at a Tea Party and the media buys into it as "political protest."
A conservative website linked to a video of The Daily Show criticizing Obama a few weeks ago. I was absolutely shocked that 99% of the commenters continuously referred to the host as Jon Liebowitz. As in, "I can't believe I agree with Jon Liebowitz on something." It was clear that this is how they ALWAYS referred to him. And, you know, that is his name. Perfectly defensible nomenclature if someone challenges it, and at the end of the day, it's just another translation of a slur from English to dog whistle.
Marc -
You claim things about where Obama was born as "facts," without presenting both sides. That's not journalism. Journalism is presenting information in a fair & balanced manner, and letting people decide. We Americans need to be informed, and then we can make up our minds for ourselves.
Glenn Beck recognizes that -- he doesn't insult our basic intelligence by telling us "here's what the facts are" or "that's the way it is." He recognizes we're smart enough (even without a Lowell House degree) to make up our minds about what's facts and what's not.
I'm assuming this sarcasm.
I don't think it's sarcasm, so it's got to be gravity.
Almatt-
You could not be more mistaken. The most important function a journalist can perform is to wade through the he said/she said muck and present an objective analysis of the facts. A journalist's job is not to provide an outlet for dueling press releases (despite what CNN and Fox would have you believe), but to actually relay what is going on.
A journalist need not, and should not, interrupt a statement about the objective facts of Obama's birthplace with mealy-mouthed equivocations explaining that some people might disagree with those facts and more than a journalist should qualify each reference to the solar system by giving a nutcase a forum for his geocentric model of the universe.
And, not to unnecessarily snarky, but if you think the very essence of Glenn Beck is not insulting to a reasonable person's intelligence, I'm not sure you are paying attention.
I thought the most improtant function of a journalist was to do anything to promote and embellish BO and destroy his enemies.
For Example;
1) Suppressing a video in your possession (LA Times), in the final weeks of the presdential campaign, where in BO speaks approvingly of the palastinians. (Reporters not reporting)
2) Publish an unfounded story about McCain and a Lobbiest (NY Times), without a shred of evidence, again in the last weeks of the pres campaign.
3) Don't demand that BO release his college transcripts, health records, tax returns etc. ie No Vetting what so ever, basically take his word for everything
4) Repeat ad infinatum, vile lies about the Repub VP candidate (she pretended to be the mother of her Bristols baby etc.)with no fact checking or retractions when the truth was clear, and send an army of investigators at her.
5) Enable and cover up BO's lies during the campaign by completely forgetting about them. "Hillary I don't support an insurance mandate", "I'll put all bills online for public review for 72 hours",
"I support a single payer system.. that's what i want to see happen"
"I think its better to spread the wealth around".
6) Fact check a comedy bit about the president (CNN)
7) Repeat smears about public opostion to BO. "They are lobbyist shills...racists...mobs...on the verge of violence...hate mongers".
I don't recall any "journalists" (propagandists) juxtaposing these statement by the power elite with Pelosi's comment from a couple of years ago that "Protest is the highest form of patriotism".
I could go on. I'm sure that you get my point whether you're honest enough to admit it or not.
I wonder how many of those people who say Obama was born overseas or was a Muslim just heard that he grew up in Indonesia, assumed the rest, and just don't have the time or interest to care more about politics. Was there a corresponding question asking if they spent much time worrying that their president was born overseas or was a Muslim?
I'd want to know some more about this survey. The comments here mostly seem to assume that, regardless how credible the sample, the base from which the sample was taken is very likely near the rock bottom of low information types. More depth on the survey, assuming such is available, and in contrast with some at least roughly equitable information reflecting cross-national information levels, would help in determining whether this is a valid dismissal. Otherwise the temptation to dismiss the outcome highlighted here as reflecting ignorant pale-complexioned possibly inbred Appalachian still-tenders & dope-growers is too great.
There's another factor which would have to be accounted for, tho admittedly something that intuition suggests might be more of a factor outside the base from which the sample here was surveyed: to what extent the responder's adoption of the descriptor "socialist" reflects a negative. I very much doubt that similar numbers on this in 1934 on FDR, for example, could be dismissed entirely on the basis of ignorance & low information; it would seem likely that at least some of it, maybe a lot, would reflect rejection of the purer form of under-regulated capitalism, or hope, or both.
Until all the above is addressed, it seems likely the impression left from this survey outside the base from which it was taken will be assumed to reflect badly on the local culture; perhaps justly.
I live in TN, and everything everybody says above is true. Another possibility (one that I think has been polled nationally) is that a huge number of people don't realize that Hawaii is a state. It's only been one for 50 years, right?
And not to excuse my fellow Tenneseans for their willful ignorance, but wasn't it Cokie Roberts during the election who said Obama shouldn't have gone on an "exotic" vacation (when he took the family to Hawaii)?
I not only live in TN, I'm a progressive and I also know all the words to Rocky Top. (Don't you dare confuse football and politics!)
Tennessee used to be the home of great statesmen, both Democrats and Republicans. Al Gore Sr. & Jr., Jim Sasser, Estes Kefauver, Cordell Hull and Howard Baker.
Tennessee has always been a little behind the times and you are seeing that now. Tennessee held off the wholesale takeover of the state by Republicans in 1994. It's just now that republicans are realizing the same gains in Tennessee that they made in other state in the South. Of course that means it will take us longer to dig out this hole than some other places that maybe trending the other way now, like Virginia and North Carolina.
The problem with Tennessee isn't political ideology, it really is ignorance. The most hotly debated question in TN politics right now is how will control the State House after 2010 elections. After last election cycle and a special election yesterday, the Republicans have a 51-48 advantage. If they retain control and hold the redistricting pen, it will be another 20 years or so before demographics change enough to move TN blue, if ever. But if you look closely at the poll, it shows Tennessean's don't much care one way or the other on which party controls the House and the Governorship. Tennessee is just a deeply religious, conservative state, no matter the political party.
Most elected TN Democrats will always be very conservative on social issues. The problem is that too many are trying to make that the centerpiece of their campaign and the lose focus on the bread and butter issues that help TN Democrats win. No Democrat has ever been elected in this state by being known as a social conservative. They have been elected to on populist progressive platform of creating jobs, expanding educational opportunities, doing what's right to take care of "momma and them" and oh by the way, yes they hate abortion and love God.
We just had a Dem lose a special election for the House in a very, very conservative Dem seat. He touted his TN Right to Life endorsement, the Republican touted his knowledge of creating jobs as the owner of a very successful trucking company, and oh by the way, he hated abortion and loved God.
Ignorance can be defeated. It just takes time. There is a dedicated group of common-sense progressives here in TN committed to making that happen.
People tend to believe information that supports their biases. As biases become less rational, the 'facts' one has to marshall in support of those biases become more nonsensical. Add to this the understanding that in the wake of their electoral debacle, the core of the Republican political strategy has shifted to "de-legitimization" of Obama by any means necessary, and you end up with large numbers of people who believe every tenuous speculation imaginable. What's next, "The Protocols of the Elders of Islam"?
Tennessee is conservative. I think we are much more concerned about his socialist actions than his religion or birthplace. He is a leftist who will ruin this country with all his programs.
I voted for a Democrat for governor because he was against the state income tax and was an excellent conservative mayor previously. I might vote for him if he ran for President and I am a conservative. Most of the folks I know are anti Obama because he is a socialist and has more than doubled the deficit in only 8 months. I was mad at the congressional republicans when they were in power because they were spending like old time democrats, but the current democrats have become socialist or fascists (because of the money given to private industry). They are spending our country into eventual slavery.
Our only hope is that the country will vote out the current legislative members up for election and in 3 1/2 years will vote Obama out of office. I think we need to replace all of the representatives,senators and president as soon as we can.
They're speaking from emotion, not from their rational faculties. The question they're being asked might be "was Barack Obama born in Kenya?", but the question they're answering is "Is Obama 'one of us'?"
Ah'm one of them thar ignorant Tennessee hillbillies what went on up to a Masseytusetts college full of folks from places like, you know, Deerfield, Choate, Andover, 'n such... whar them Atlantic fellers first lairn to spell 'n write. Ah discovered that some of 'em, 'n their perfessers, were the most provincial, prejidiced, 'n narrer-minded folks ah evah laid eyes on. A bunch of 'em seemed to think the Pacific Ocean started about a hunnert miles west o' the Hudson River. Ah got my li'l piece o' sheepskin thar 'n high-tailed it back below the Mason-Dixon line as fast as mah pickup could go.
By the way, kin anyone tell me how you kin believe a survey by stupid Tennesseans about how stupid Tennesseans are?