President Obama has a good deal of experienced leaders around him as he considers Afghanistan strategy--Robert Gates, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Richard Holbrooke, and Stanley McChrystal among them. To whom should he listen most closely?
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Oct 15 2009, 6:30 am by Chris Good
Question Of The Day: Who Should Obama Listen To?
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Biden has been wrong on ever serious foreign policy question for forty years, so I imagine Our President will listen to him.
Certainly wrong about the need to invade Iraq, I'll give you that.
Well, mesquito's comment is funny. I think with Biden, we finally have a role for him that he can excel in. He now gets to be the POTUS's questioner and doubter on everything - which is important for the admin. and absolutely the role Biden has worked his whole life for.
I think Obama should listen to the answers Biden gets to his questions. Hillary is the consummate equivocator, Holbrooke never met an imposition from an outside power he didn't like, and McChrystal is a blck ops guy - tough crowd.
I think Obama, for once, should listen to himself, and do what HE thinks is right.
What a bizarre question. He should listen to whomever is making the most sense on a given topic, which may actually change over time and circumstance. The whole point of having many different advisers is to not get groupthink of "whatever the first idea was, that's unanimous."
Of those listed I'm fondest of Biden, but since the president obviously knows a lot more than I do about how each is at actually giving advice and entertaining opposing ideas...
I've seen the "when was Biden ever right about anything?" meme before, and I'm too lazy to check the record. Can someone fill it out?
Ron Paul.
The longer these wars drag out, the more likelihood there will be for someone like Ron Paul to ciphon off disaffected voters of both parties, and independents (like me), as well.
Saving Face in Afghanistan
Posted By admin On October 15, 2009 @ 9:07 am
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Ron Paul
Infowars
October 15, 2009
This past week there has been a lot of discussion and debate on the continuing war in Afghanistan. Lasting twice as long as World War II and with no end in sight, the war in Afghanistan has been one of the longest conflicts in which our country has ever been involved. The situation has only gotten worse with recent escalations.
Things are getting worse precisely because we are sending more troops and escalating the violence.
The current debate is focused entirely on the question of troop levels. How many more troops should be sent over in order to pursue the war? The administration has already approved an additional 21,000 American service men and women to be deployed by November, which will increase our troop levels to 68,000. Will another 40,000 do the job? Or should we eventually build up the levels to 100,000 in addition to that? Why not 500,000 – just to be “safe”? And how will public support be brought back around to supporting this war again when 58 percent are now against it?
I get quite annoyed at this very narrow line of questioning. I have other questions. We overthrew the Taliban government in 2001 with less than 10,000 American troops. Why does it now seem that the more troops we send, the worse things get? If the Soviets bankrupted themselves in Afghanistan with troop levels of 100,000 and were eventually forced to leave in humiliating defeat, why are we determined to follow their example? Most importantly, what is there to be gained from all this? We’ve invested billions of dollars and thousands of precious lives – for what?
The truth is it is no coincidence that the more troops we send the worse things get. Things are getting worse precisely because we are sending more troops and escalating the violence. We are hoping that good leadership wins out in Afghanistan, but the pool of potential honest leaders from which to draw have been fleeing the violence, leaving a tremendous power vacuum behind. War does not quell bad leaders. It creates them. And the more war we visit on this country, the more bad leaders we will inadvertently create.
Another thing that war does is create anger with its indiscriminate violence and injustice. How many innocent civilians have been harmed from clumsy bombings and mistakes that end up costing lives? People die from simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time in a war zone, but the killers never face consequences. Imagine the resentment and anger survivors must feel when a family member is killed and nothing is done about it. When there are no other jobs available because all the businesses have fled, what else is there to do, but join ranks with the resistance where there is a paycheck and also an opportunity for revenge? This is no justification for our enemies over there, but we have to accept that when we push people, they will push back.
The real question is why are we there at all? What do our efforts now have to do with the original authorization of the use of force? We are no longer dealing with anything or anyone involved in the attacks of 9/11. At this point we are only strengthening the resolve and the ranks of our enemies. We have nothing left to win. We are only there to save face, and in the end we will not even be able to do that.
http://www.infowars.com/saving-face-in-afghanistan/
1. Biden opposed Reagan's policy if strength to defeat the Soviets in the Cold War.
2. Biden opposed the first Gulf War and his words were so negative that Saddam Hussein used them as propaganda against coalition forces.
3. Biden said that the surge in Iraq would not work, either stragegically or tactically.
There are just a few, but you can do a simple search to find a few more.
You have military leaders for a reason, to provide military advise. I can think of three times in my life where civilian leaders have thought they knew more than military commanders and ignored their advice.
The first was VietNam. Congress and the president tied the hands of military commanders and look where that got us.
The second was Somalia. Les Aspin decided he knew better than military commanders on the ground and refused them the tanks and other weaponry requested. Anyone see "Blackhawk Down"?
Finally was Bush and company in Iraq. While the military advisors were asking for things like a surge early on and a complete plan for military governance (see MG John Batiste), Rumsfeld and others new better. Only when the surge was implemented much later did conditions improve.
Those who ignore history are fated to repeat it.
It would really be nice if there was an edit function to take care of typos.